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Heaven’s War in the Bible

I’m still reading my One Year Chronological Bible, some sections of information have really shared more impact with me because of the modern terms versus previous readings of other Bibles.

Different Bibles have various terms in sections of the Bible that can be found interpretable based on our own understanding versus the terms in the time of writing of the versions AND the terms translation from the original and the translators of the works from the original into the present used versions.

The war in the heaven’s has continued for millennia there is Biblical evidence and modern information being written by Ava D Dohn also. The information will take some time to gather and share with accurate links to the scriptures as well as ways for others to see the information. [This will be modified gradually as the information is updated and prepared better for sharing.]

Heaven’s War Scriptural Evidence

Different Bible’s state the same terms in different ways, but modern reading can add interpretation ideas that may have been found in other times which we don’t really associate the same with now. For example one of the examples below from Joshua 5:13-15 has

  • the term commander in the NIV, 1995, while
  • in the, 1984, New World Translation the same section has the term prince.

Modern people take prince to mean a ‘figure head’, while in the past the term prince like king often also meant military commander OR leader. So the term for modern interpretation with commander is more definitive for modern readers trying to understand the scriptures. Other terms used in the exact same set of scriptures include:

  • captain– in the King James Version (KJ),
  • Captain– Modern Language Version (ML)- 1959
  • Commander in Chief– Living Bible (L)- 1971
  • Commander– Revised Standard Version (RSV)- 1952

The terms have various military connotations in the modern day, but when looked at and read based on Heaven’s War there is little interpretation against the military of the heavens.

More War in heaven scriptural evidence [not done yet]

That the heaven’s has been at war is evidenced with the Bible and information in the scriptures shared in various locations with different aspects to be learned with reading the information. The scriptures I’m adding are based on how reading things of the scriptural information was found and interpreted by me. As we mention above there are various ‘terms’ that can impact interpretations, so while I’ll always add one verse at times multiple verses may be linked OR completely shared OR both.

Joshua 5:13-15

New International Version(NIV)…

13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[a] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

New King James Version (NKJ)

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”

15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.

English Standard Version (ESV)

13 When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us, or for our adversaries?” 14 And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped[a] and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?” 15 And the commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

Amplified Bible (AB)

13 Now when Joshua was by Jericho, he looked up, and behold, [a]a man was standing opposite him with his drawn sword in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us or for our adversaries?” 14 He said, “No; rather I have come now as captain of the army of the Lord.” Then Joshua fell with his face toward the earth and bowed down, and said to him, “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” 15 The captain of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy (set apart to the Lord).” And Joshua did so.

Image Interpretations

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There are various types of images from this scripture some showing more passivity in the style of the angel’s dress and others showing more warrior dress with armor and help than other images share. I think the more warrior style of dress is appropriate, but I don’t think the human ‘dress’ styles would be used as much in the heavens unless they are practical. The modern dress options with pants, boots, and armor may not have been seen both because Joshua was able to recognize at least the sword and the man didn’t seem to be too odd to him. Not like other images of angels seen at other times.

Rhapsodie’s interpretation of Joshua 5:13-15

The man/angel with the sword was obviously handling a familiar instrument. This is backed up because of being commander, captain, prince of the army of the Lord/God/Jehovah/Yehowah. I’ve not studied a lot of war history, but it seems to me that commander positions are gained with actions taken, not just because of title in many instances. The sword in hand is evidence that the hand holding the sword had the power/strength/ endurance to do this for some bit of time also.

Angel’s with Swords

There are many scriptures where Cherubs and Angels are mentioned as having/holding swords in the scriptures. Because there are so many scriptures with information I’ll add the links here that I’ve found. BUT reading these versus can be interpreted in many ways if the information isn’t mentioning more about military in the heavens.

Here are some links

With reading this information you’ll note that some of the scriptures are added to the war in heaven evidence, while others aren’t added. [Not done yet]

War in Heaven Care with Reading Info

There are multiple scriptures where war in heaven is a theme. Because there are so many interpretations and links with scriptures containing information I’ll add the links here that I’ve found, but as you can see with reading there are so many bits of information that are interpretable, that readers have ‘various’ feelings about what they read as they read it. Revelation 12 shares a dragon, with the war in heaven.

  • If I was Chinese than the enemy is the woman, if
  • I were European the enemy is the dragon. BUT if
  • we believe that Jesus’ came to the earth for all mankind,
    • For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost. (Luke 19:10) …For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:17)…This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. (1 John 4:9)…And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14) (From Evangical Outreach.org

While I don’t believe all the info at this site, it’s still useful for the run of scriptures above about WHY JESUS CAME TO EARTH? and sharing the scriptures above and others at the site. Additional scriptures through the gospels show us why later in the scriptures, the work of Jesus is shared saying, “Become imitators of me as I am of Christ.” (1 Cor. 11:1, New World Translation, 1984) 

The whole written work of Jesus on earth that is commonly known is shared through the gospels. Jesus whole life, his actions, his work as a child of God is shared here for all of us…this means that all of Jesus’ time on earth is an example…BUT the war in the heaven’s then also means that we have lived lives that aren’t ‘peaceful’ all the time…our life in the past AND possibly for a longer time into the  future can be a lot more tumultuous and ‘warring.’ While we are still living a life imitating Jesus.

Again reading these versus can be interpreted in many ways depending on the readers, the time periods under discussion, and interpretation of the information by the readers.

Revelation 12: about war in the heavens-

For instance in China dragons are considered, Wikipedia info:

But in the American/European interpretations, based on the times of the last 1,000 years or so the dragon is held as an enemy, a threat, a danger, like Wikipedia also shares:

When Revelation was written by John, is likely based on his understanding, BUT for any of us the ‘dragon’ term is varied. For John, since I don’t speak OR know the ancient tongue he wrote the works in, I’m unsure what he really wrote about when we refer to dragon. There has also been some online searching about this [not done yet.]

Our Brother’s and Sister’s in the Heaven’s at War

Our Brother’s and Sister’s in the heavens are at war…Author Ava D Dohn shares a historic account of the heaven’s at war. AND this goes on to the story of the earth with heavens war and impacts, by the same author. While I still haven’t finished reading these books, when reading under the ‘term’ fiction, they are boring, but if we read these as factual…because they are shared in part by visions from God then we see things totally differently with the reading.

The war in the heaven’s has impacted the earth and it continues to do so, but that’s not my story to share.

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