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2. About 2020 Presidential Debate Possible Future Rules & Possibilities

With the Political Debates the Moderators Share the Rules…

…I’m not sure if candidates are made aware of those earlier OR not.

The rules and more with debates and writing are done to assist people to have the ability to share as well as to get the time others do to share in these situations and with these events. Debates are generally prepared to bring out various opinions on confrontational OR even conflicting opinions & ideas pertinent with matters. This allows the various issues to be brought forth that may be hiding in the background of other aspects with issues & events.

For instance the, official, results of the first debate between Trump & Biden were based on the debate styles as well as how the candidates acted in front of the audience.

There are contentions about who won the debate, but I’m also wondering if Trump was suffering fever and possibly other ‘cold OR virus’ symptoms. When I am high in temperature, having a sore throat, having aching lungs, and not feeling good there is less patience that I display because of  my body suffering stress & other abnormal physical issues.

College Debate Differences to the Political Debates

While in college the debate plans were put forward months before the debates began.

  • The issues were topics of interest with life in society.
  • The rules were added when the debate assignments were handed out,
  • we had weeks to prepare and
  • to practice these with the team works.

The debate styles were expected to be kept, as part of the grade for the class, for the Presidential & VP debates

  • the people are trying to get info as well as learn more about their candidates.
  • The debate results will be determined with the election results as long as individuals that vote remotely also make sure their votes were taken accurately, AND
  • if the boxes aren’t stuffed with false voting.

Rules for U.S. Political Debates

The rules for the U.S. political debates are really loose, they are mostly time rules AND let the other candidate speak aspects. This also means that the moderators type of questions do NOT have to be specifically answered, but it also means this isn’t a free for all conversation. 

The Ten Simple Rules for Debating, by Nullus Maximus Posted on April 21, 2016, and blogged about by me in the previous post which shared some practical guidance for debating as well as logistical issues that impact the results of the debates for the audiences.

So here are some links to research I’ve done on debating and on debate rules:

Presidential Debate Rules

At times these are located after the debates, but so far I’ve not found the rules listed OR shared for the public for the next Presidential debate which is only 7 days away.

Presidential Debate Commission Debate Rules [not located with searching]

Are hard to find…it must make it difficult for the candidates also if those aren’t shared beforehand. Microphone cutoffs are being considered for future presidential debates, and the VP debates are likely to enforce those actions.

Who is and how this should be handled is a different issue and will be influenced by how the ‘rules’ are established. For instance if it’s a timed debate, will there be microphone time stoppers pre-programmed which means the moderator can’t shift things? Will there be a pre-time ending button the debaters can click to allow the moderator & other debater speaking time?

But it’s definitly under consideration, because the rules of the debate were broken repeatedly.

Other General Debate Info

Like my college debate which was a team process there are debate processes and styles dependent on the types of debating and locations with those. The issues that come into political debates may be considered with these rules, but the rules are what the moderators state…Timing rules.

Conclusion

As you can see there are multiple aspects that are considered with debates, but for the political debates the people, the audience, the third party are who the debates are for and are about. This setup and change of debate styling may mean that moderators will get more control AND that will mean less ‘for the people’ and more ‘about the system’ actions taking place.

The Moved- Debates Factors Info + Some BAD Info About FREE Options

Debates Factors- HAS BEEN MOVED FOR BETTER SHARING- Free Stuff is NOT as good.

I’m sorry!

The formatting with this post was messed up because the WordPress FREE option didn’t allow the classic bullet & number options that I use all the time. So I had to reform & remake a post that would read better & be less messy for viewing & understanding while still being large like it was. It contains mostly all the info from this set of pages with some modifications like taking out the bullets totally AND removing my name where it was still added from the original writing.

These are the change reasons:

Here’s a snip of how this was written for sharing by me:

From original, linked site, with the detailing shared at my previous post that was this page of info.

And this is how the FREE system varied the better, but more costly use option:

From original, linked site, with the detailing shared at my previous post that was this page of info.

I write long stuff, so having a way to separate and distinguish info without taking a lot of page space is generally my goal with writing using bullet points as well as numbers. Because numbers often have a prioritization OR a 1 through whatever aspect, I find that when the points are not being prioritized bullets are preferable to keep them distinct and notable in reading.

FREE Stuff… Hah, Hah!

This example is my experience with most FREE stuff, it’s not as good, it’s more hassle, and it’s likely to be a much higher cost in time, energy, and effort even if it’s not a greater cost in money initially.

If you go to a fair OR a carnival and get a FREE waffle, what do you get? A 1″x1″ bite size piece, if you go into a store and get a FREE sample what do you get, “a micro sized amount of the option”. FREE healthcare is not likely to be as good as what you’ve already had. For me AHC is worse than I had before the new U.S. health care came into practice. AND now there are promises of FREE college education…Hah, Hah… our education system has depreciated so much that the first whole year of college is just educating people like they used to be in high school, so that they can catch up & get a college education.

God has given us the trees, the fields, the streams, and more BUT we don’t just open up our mouths and get the value of those unless it’s air. We need to harvest, cultivate, find the food, we need to hunt, farm, fish for the meat, we need to work to get what is already given. While it’s FREE it still takes effort, energy, and work to have. The stink of the modern system is that we have healthcare promises & education promises for FREE, but I can’t expect anything much…

Look at medicare retirement benefits. Individuals have worked their whole lives and the costs and coverage varies, the values and costs also vary, and these were worked for THE ARE NOT FREE! If no one goes out to get the fruits and veggies than their are none available for others to have… there is nothing that’s just given by modern society that will be FREE.

1. About 2020 Presidential Debates: Debates Factors

Thank you for reading this info, for your information this page contains over 3,500 words…so it’s not a simple tweet OR message. More info about debates has been prepared and is linked by me here.

Debates Factors

The rules & more with debates & writing are done to assist people to have the ability to share as well as to get the time others do to share in these situations & with these events. I have read info about debates, plus has spent A LITTLE time debating, there were issues with the debates that were partially moderator faults AND partially candidate faults. This could be because all the candidates fell into the ‘it’s allowed, why don’t I’ failure.

Debates are generally prepared to bring out various opinions on important issues & matters. This isn’t a way to discuss things courteously, because it allows the various issues to be brought forth that may be hiding in the background of other aspects with issues & events. In addition it’s done to find out different aspects and opinions about issues. While I was in college there were debates on issues that had YES & NO variables, but the Presidential debates and the VP debate didn’t seem as cut and dried.

Results of the 1st Trump & Biden Debate of 2020

The results of the first debate between Trump & Biden were based on the debate styles as well as how the candidates acted in front of the audience. This is where I wish there was a debate style that was easier to follow, I got super upset and turned the channel to a non-debate share.

There are contentions about who won the debate, but I’m also wondering if Trump was suffering fever and possibly other ‘cold/ virus’ symptoms. When I am high in temperature, having a sore throat, having aching lungs, and also with high sugar there is less of a calm attitude and my actions aren’t as easy as normal because of  body suffering stress and issues.

My ONE Debate During College

While in college the debate plans were put forward months before the debates began. The issues were topics of interest with life in society. The rules were added when the debate assignments were handed out, we had weeks to prepare and to practice these with the team works.

The debate styles were expected to be kept, as part of the grade for the class, for the presidential & VP debates the people are trying to get info as well as learn more about their candidates. The debate results will be determined with the election results as long as individuals that vote remotely also make sure their votes were taken accurately, AND if the boxes aren’t stuffed with false voting.

There are different types of rules and patterns with different styles of debates. I only had one debate in college and it was one topic that she chose to support that she debated on with her team. There are various rules that were part of the team debate that weren’t part of the presidential OR vice presidential debates because those were multiple topic debates with single debaters. The classical debate, as shared by H.W. Wilson’s 1957 book, is a team debate this means the rules with Presidential and VP debates aren’t normalized.

Below are some links to debates types & rules variations, but Ten Simple Rules for Debating, by Nullus Maximus Posted on April 21, 2016 has given me a way to show how the Presidential & VP debating was performed badly. Any of the info under the heading below that’s in [square brackets] has been added by me, the links are all to the post with the title shared above.

Practical Debate Guidelines

[Debates are expressions of opinion and facts that are based on evidence as well as emotion. BUT the candidates that are parts of the debate should work to remember that they are sharing for others to learn, to find out, to know about, not for their opinions to be loved, but for their opinions to be shared with facts & perspectives that the 3rd parties can relate to & understand. These actions help others to look beyond their emotions to the aspects of issues & perspectives that can influence their participation towards the OR with the aspects under discussion.]

Ten Simple Rules for Debating, by Nullus Maximus Posted on April 21, 2016 with my comments added [in square brackets] about the 2020 debates actions and her opinions of those debate procedures:

A significant amount of my recent work has been written in response to arguments made by other libertarian thinkers. As such, the time is ripe for a guide to how this is best done. This article will take the reader through the process of an exchange of ideas from start to finish, and explain my ten simple rules for debating. Those who follow these rules are guaranteed to become more successful debaters, as well as less stressed and overworked.

  1. Pick your battles. While a person of little renown may have enough time to engage with whomever one pleases at whatever length one desires, people who have less time to spend engaging in debates must choose which opponents to engage and which to ignore, as well as how long to engage each opponent. It is best to have a consistent rubric for this, which will be discussed further in rules 2 and 9.

[For every moderator question multiple topic areas are brought up, notes can be taken, and answers to those topics can be shifted, BUT the audience is the focus of this sharing and the reason info is shared.]

2. Engage only those worthy of being engaged. Some people are capable of maintaining a rational discourse, while other people cannot seem to communicate without resorting to personal attacks, profanity, threats, and other such uncivil behavior.

[Taking issue with the personal insults is stupid, for the debating unless the attack is a focus of the issues, it’s better to bring the issues to the fore & keep those as focus for the answers. The more time Trump says “and you Mr. Biden OR Biden says, “and you President Trump” are seconds being wasted in contending things that may not be worthy of commenting on.]

Some people have interesting and novel insights, while other people insist upon bringing up points which have been refuted a thousand times.

[Previously refuted issues and more can be prepared for, with info links, like the Presidential website OR Biden’s site with facts that can be mentioned as check the facts info, with the facts summarized if they are pertinent for the topics. Care is needed to not make the debates boring though.]

Some people are experts in the fields of which they speak, while other people do not stick to their lasts. Some people make the effort to properly support an argument, while other people Gish gallop. A person’s behavior in this regard is a strong indicator of whether that person is worthy of one’s attention.

[The debate facts and comments should be based on what is pertinent with the issues and the results of those issues. For instance when it comes to climate control, which Harris & Pence discussed, there is the issue of the California Wildfires partially built because of the lack of forest management. In addition there are issues raised with how Biden plans to raise taxes & cut Trump tax cuts supported by Harris, Senator of CA. A State that’s the most in debt for the whole nation.]

Note that other debaters will judge you by a similar standard, so be the kind of person that someone else would be willing to debate.

[This is Trump’s last time going for President, Biden is also likely to suffer such severe Alzheimer’s that he won’t be debating as a presidential candidate again. But the candidates are ALL planning to work as representatives for the U.S. in the coming 4 years, so who are they going to be for us the people of the nation? So this isn’t an issue of the other future debaters, this is an issue about how the American people will percieve their candidates with the upcoming elections.]

3. Do your research. If you know a topic in great detail, you will be more able to counter any argument your opponent may make.

An uninformed debater is an incompetent debater.

An unprepared debater is a sloppy debater.

Also, make sure that the sources you study are reliable.

[Accurately quoted information, like “210,000 Corona Deaths” with the Corona death reports being faked with flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, & other deaths being added to the Corona death reports as shared by Senator Harris on 10/7/20 are ‘presently determined’ as facts, may be contention issues that aren’t a value to contend with a debate.]

If the opponent is competent, a misinformed debater will be an embarrassed debater.

[Argumentative debaters often have little fact to back up their shares, they can win if they bring up issues that cause arguments that actually don’t discuss issues that they are ignorant of OR have no info about, but smart debaters who have no facts are also likely to prepare to be contentious enough to cause arguments and side track the opponent debaters.]

4. Do not [speak] to convince the opponent; [SPEAK] TO CONVINCE A THIRD PARTY. In many cases, a person worthy of being engaged will be firmly entrenched in a position, and it may even be against the nature of the format for your opponent to come over to your side. Focus instead on convincing the audience, whether they be people watching a live debate or reading a correspondence. This methodology is stated explicitly in some debate formats, but it is sound strategy regardless.

[At times debates can utilize visuals also, but this is dependent on the debate rules and more. With any debate that gets read like Presidential Debate transcripts may be, there’s a need to remember that many will read some of the info, so what info is shared that’s worth reading? If there were visuals for the presidential debates OR other debates there is also a need to make sure the visuals aren’t time wasters NOR are they hard to understand, AND they should also be verifiable for the audiences.

For my one college debate, in 2013, about the put into law ACA, U.S. healthcare law, which I was against, I used the photo image of the new healthcare law mass from Senator McConnell’s office & Steve Hayward, of Obamacare regs, which is now removed from this link & then the 11,000 info with the line by Rhapsodie based on an approximate mass versus the  real size of the U.S. Constitution.

The team used some images, but like good shares we controlled those, AND we also took the time to prepare specified shares so the focus was on what we talked about not the visuals which were only backup supporting what we were talking about.

Also, UNLIKE the presidential debates my debate was done with a team against another team supporting the opposite of the issue.

This meant that we had a lot of time for a single topic, we also had this as part of our class, which meant how we followed the debate rules impacted the grade results with our debating, so there wasn’t the over speak allowed unless we wanted to reduce our grades.]

5. Base your arguments upon logic (logos), not emotion (pathos) or authority (ethos). A debate is properly won by using reason and evidence to demonstrate that one’s position is superior to that of one’s opponent.

Detouring into appeals to emotion can help one connect with the audience or provoke an opponent into a misstep, BUT this does NOT advance one’s case in a rigorous manner [unless it’s driving into the point of the topic being discussed OR the issues working to be shared].

Appealing to the authority of oneself or someone else can dissuade a weak opponent or convince a less intelligent audience, but attempting this against a strong opponent in front of a knowledgeable audience is a recipe for disaster.

[For example with my college debate, with the team against the national healthcare, I could have used information of my own life, BUT as a team member my focus was on an aspect of the topic NOT all the aspects of the topic. With the topic I worked to share the aspect of this issue that were likely more relatable by others. The legal aspects which was part of my debate is a lot smaller than the multiple issues the Presidential Debates are contending.]

6. Relentlessly attack logical fallacies and weak arguments. It is important to [figure] out every shortcoming that you can find in your opponent’s case. Doing so will make you more skilled in identifying logical fallacies & weak arguments, [pointing these out]… means that opponents will be less able to get away with sloppy reasoning in future debates. [This will also support your arguments more.]

Do not worry about being pedantic; your job is to find all weaknesses in your opponent’s case & illuminate them to make your case appear stronger by comparison. [But you need to take care that the contentions aren’t boring the audience. The topic focus & issues that are contended can be multitudinous, that’s why note taking is so important. That’s also why taking the time to find the focuses, practice the issues debating with various types of personal opponents who aren’t on stage contenders, plus also possibly also summarizing additional info that’s not focus, can assist in leading the sharing.

Instead of just saying,  “You are wrong about…” OR wasting time in contentious words, taking the time to make sure to share “the facts about…” then sharing those, can reduce time waste as well as make more points supporting your sharing.]

7. Focus on the task at hand. A debate can easily go off track, especially if the subject matter is wide, deep, or both. Avoid making arguments that neither support your case nor attack your opponent’s case. Only go into the weeds if your opponent takes you there [and staying there is a necessity]; the person who begins the foray into many different minutiae is usually running out of solid logic and evidence.

[The task of the debate is harder to focus on if an individual is so involved in it OR so emotional about it, but it’s also a reason they should be more prepared to support their sharing well for others who aren’t as involved OR impacted with the issues.

If a person is mowing their lawn and trimming their hedge that’s the focus, if they go to the field because there’s a pretty flower OR a dead tree to take care of, the lawn work isn’t getting done and the field work is off topic at this time. The pretty flower OR the dead tree can be ‘works’ planned OR done later…BUT they will take time from the present task. If George takes Mary to the field to discuss the tree, they are both not on the lawn…It may be good if Mary can say to George, “That’s not the focus now, here’s what’s being discussed…”, BUT at times the issue is so important it should be discussed. Like if the dead tree threatened the yard walk.]

8. Destroy arguments, not people. Be respectful of your [audience, so] at least be as respectful of your opponent as he or she is of you[, or be as respectful of them as you would the audience]. Resorting to personal attacks (or escalating them if they are already in use) is a refuge of a person with weak arguments, and it will make people less willing to consider your case on its merits. Remember, your job is to defeat your opponent’s arguments, not his or her character.

[A debater that falls to the attacking actions of their opponent actually fails in their debating. An issue with the candidate debates is that the candidates are suffering personal attacks because of personal stands and personal issues. These Presidential debates should be about the Presidential position BUT attacks on Trump through the last years are continuing with the debates.]

9. Know when to quit.

There comes a point in every debate at which further discussion has diminishing returns or even becomes completely pointless. It is important to learn to identify that point and stop there.

Sometimes this will be clear; an opponent may even announce that a particular round will be his or her closing argument. If this happens, respond with a closing argument of your own and be finished; do not repeatedly pummel the opponent after he or she has left the debate.

This may also be the case in a timed or response-limited debate, in which case one should abide by the rules of the format.

[This should be considered more with the future Presidential debates, because many people are only getting media otherwise, so the facts that are shared about the issues for Americans are super pertinent to share & discuss.]

In other cases, it will be a matter of personal judgment to decide to walk away from a debate.

[A really difficult issue with the Presidential debates is the bias of the moderators, which means they are driving towards points and issues that they hold and want answers to. This is difficult because:

        1. They have their own political opinions [they would have to be dead not to have an opinion].
        2. There are multiple sides to every question & how it’s presented;

These topics have been so complicated the issues can’t be shown as headers for viewers to know what the queries were, this also likely means the candidates aren’t given a clear enough query to debate.

The topics have so much preceding info, that they influence the question and what it is. While some info is useful, the opinions expressed by the moderators take the info out of debate and into discussion.

Point 10 follows below, after the Debate Query Examples.

Debate Query Examples

For BAD examples are non-debate queries NOT debate queries which have sides:

What are your opinions on how the opposition has handled Corona Virus’ issues?

What has your party done against Corona Virus?

What do you say about how the protests are being handled in Chicago?

What are the issues with the facts about Corona Virus as are being reported?]

Instead debate queries which have sides, should have ways that the sides can each be distinguished, these were some of the 2013 debate issues that were discussed in my Business Ethics class at Alfred State College under Professor Damrath:

Does the Obama Health Care System benefit the Americans?

Should Recreational Drugs be Legalized

Should illegal aliens be granted amnesty

Is Employer Monitoring Email Justified

Plus others

The debates with unclear queries, issues that are only parts of the debates that have been avoided by the moderators. The topics should educate and inform the audiences, while the actions of the debaters can also educate and inform the audiences those can also cause audience members to act like I did.

I was so upset with the early part of the first presidential debate she shifted the channel. Because of making notes with the VP debate and because of wanting to learn about Harris, I continued through the debate. At least taking the time to type out notes kept me from getting too upset about the lack of info that was really shared.]

Finally the LAST of the Ten Simple Rules for Debating

by Nullus Maximus Posted on April 21, 2016 with Rhapsodie’s comments added about the 2020 debates actions

10. Handle both defeat and victory appropriately. No one likes a sore loser or a bad winner.

If you lose a debate, reflect on how and why you lost. Then, take the necessary steps to avoid losing in the same manner in a future debate. This may involve more study of the debate topic, [especially if it’s one that will arise again,] reviewing logical fallacies, or even changing one’s position on an issue.

If you win, do not gloat or boast. Accept victory graciously, then check your discourse for arguments that could have been stronger or presented more effectively.]

My Conclusion

Each presidential & VP debate is a chance to show the American people who their candidates are AND how they respond to conflicting opinions & plans. I’m concerned about this election because I fear democrats will stuff the polls with false votes. So, with the VP debate,

I’m glad Pence didn’t answer the hand over question, if President Trump steps down because there are stuffed votes it would mean liars will be in office and we will all be dropped into the shit. If Trump steps down because there are factual votes, then our people have made their choice for Biden. If Biden/Harris contend the votes for Trump/Pence, then I’ll be happy the election processes were done mostly correctly.

I’m glad to learn that Harris is a Senator from California, it gives me more research ability & info about her.

The copied info article has ended before here as shared above. After beginning the info with my words above in [square] quotes until the end of quoting another author now are just my additions. Thank you for reading this info, I’m sorry that the original post was messed up the FREE service is in no way as good as the paid service I previously utilized.

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